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#1 Jared

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Posted 07 September 2011 - 11:32 AM

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I know there are a few conspiracy theorists on here (sorry if that's the wrong term - I don't mean it offensively). Anyway, I figure that one conspiracy we can pretty much all agree on is that the events that happened ten years ago this month in the USA involved a fair amount of government cover-up.

Some of this video is perhaps a bit far-fetched:
http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be
(but nowhere near as far-fetched as the 'truth we're supposed to believe).

What are people's thoughts ten years on? And where were you on that day ten years ago?
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 11:46 AM

Watched that BBC doc last week all about this. Conspiracy theories were put forward and then battered back by professionals in the field. While some things do look a little dodge most of it can all be explained it seems.

Seems mad it was 10 years ago. I remember watching cross roads in the afternoon in my pants and the adverts came on half way through, I went out to make a brew, came back to see the gripping 2nd half and the news was on. Crossroads never came back and I never found out what happened
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 12:41 PM

Good old Crossroads, eh?

When I heard the news I was on holiday, sitting in a quiet bit of Parc Guell in Barcelona getting stoned with a mate.
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I remember we were sitting on a grass bank and he got a text on his phone:

Jim: "Dude - my sister has just texted me. Apparently someone has flown an aeroplane into the World Trade Center?!?"
Jared: "No way dude. How the hell did they land that?"

We didn't think anymore of it until we got back to the hostel and there were loads of American's shrieking and crying at the footage on TV.

The day after we got a copy of The Independent and read all the coverage over a coffee in Plaça Reial. I'd just finished an internship working at the paper and knew some of the writers who covered the story.

They'd also run a feature that day, towards the back of the paper, called 'You ask the questions' for which i'd put a few questions forward to Naomi Wolf, a feminist writer - who had worked on the Al Gore campaign. The only one I had under my own name was:

George W Bush: the devil himself, or just one of his henchmen?
Jared Wilson, Nottingham
Her answer was: He's a decent guy who is probably sincere, but who is badly in the pocket of special interests – notably big oil and the religious right – who have no sense of responsibility for doing what is best for America's kids, working people or the environment. Unfortunately the rest of the world is forced to live with the fallout of his having been bought and sold.

I can't believe it's still there, but i've i've just found the whole piece online here:
http://www.independe...olf-668990.html
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Posted 08 September 2011 - 03:33 PM

Regardless of conspiracy, just desserts, tragedy or not, the act in and of itself and the loss of human life is still chilling and disturbing to me. My (at that time) girlfriend's mother was supposed to be on her way for a tour of the WTC and Manhattan and we couldn't get in touch with her for almost 4 hours--luckily her tour had some difficulties and they hadn't left NJ yet for the city...... I went to the university where I was studying and teaching classes and everyone was useless and in utter disbelief/shock, so we cancelled classes for a day or two so everyone could get their head straight.......

I haven't really looked back too much on it since the event, but I've seen so much coverage of it in the news of late that it has been hard not to think of the loss of life on that day and the way that Americans and probably many people worldwide value life (or not). I only know the perspective from here, and I can tell you that Americans--from the blind patriotic jingoistic idiots to the normal folks and even all the way to the anarchic Americans, it is still tough to review the images, harder to look at the videos, and it has changed all of us.

I don't know how I feel about the politics and the theories of the how and the why, but I do know how I feel about the fact that it did happen and the response to the situation from Americans and those abroad.

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 11:04 AM

I was at work when someone announced the first hit and I thought it would be a two seater. I got to leave work early so watched the second hit. Thought the whole thing was as it said. Maybe a year or two later a friend postulated the “inside job”, I argued that maybe the U.S. intelligence let it happen like pearl harbour. I set out to disprove his claim, after 2-3 months I was swaying to his opinion, after 7-8 years of following/researching there’s no shadow of a doubt in my mind that rogue elements in the globalist clique orchestrated the whole thing. I’m still as angry and heartbroken today as I was the day I decided my friend was right. I had my eyes opened to all sorts of stuff since then and my world view is very different from what it would have been if that conversation didn’t take place.

The whole thing has been full of ups and downs, including on this forum. I’ve insulted people, I’ve been insulted. I’ve gotten into heated debate, made a fool of myself in trying to make people see differently. I’ve gotten irate, smug, depressed, bitter, disillusioned. I had a recurring dream that stemmed from it where everyone in the world was on a mind baffling drug but me. I think back on how I may have done more damage to the truth coming out/being realised than good.

After years of ups and downs over the issue I’ve come to a conclusion about the mind and how it reflects on this and other conspiracies:-

Good natured people have a blind spot to evil, call it an advantage or downfall, it depends on the circumstances. Good natured people attempt to preserve their innocence within by not exposing themselves to evil (we all turn the news off once in a while ‘cos it’s too depressing righ?), even if their intuition rings alarm bells. I’ve had people intelligent and intuitive enough to know deep down something’s rotten in Manhattan and openly state “I don’t want to know, it would mess wit my head”. My girlfriend and I watched a 9/11 truth movie 2 weeks ago on her request and 20 minutes in after a barrage of facts, figures, dates, names, places etc she said “I don’t think I can handle this”…she’s a good natured person. I don’t know what it is that makes me almost veracious over peering into the dark but I wouldn’t go back and change it.

Nowadays, when people say they believe even a shred of the official line, I don’t rant, I don’t lay out endless details that refute it. I just get a sinking feeling of mild alienation and get very sad but don’t try and pop that innocence bubble anymore, it’s not my place to do it. You have to pop your own and that’s the way it should be, free will and all that. It's taken me a long time to fully realise and appreciate this. Try and appreciate that it's like seeing a building on fire, you want to warn people of the danger, not just walk on by.

Another conclusion is :-
You can only open a door for someone, it’s them that has to choose to walk through it. Information only goes into a willing mind, you can’t force it. A good analogy I heard years ago in this kind “blue pill/red pill” scenario goes like this –
When you’re asleep in bed and you want to see you turn the light on and are willing to experience that initial few seconds of discomfort to the eyes. However, when someone walks in and shines a torch in your face, you’re initial reaction is to look away and extinguish the light. This works with information too.

It is a strange position to be in when even you’re closest friends think you’re deluded but you have to stick to your guns, when your intuition is in good working order, you can’t let go of that even if the whole world calls you mad. So I would ask you go easy on people like me because it may come across as “I have the answers and you don’t and therefore I’m better than you” it’s really meant as “I want you to have the answers too so I don’t feel so isolated and we can know what’s truthful or deceitful”.

Remember, remember the 11th of September. Military grade thermite, treason and plot.

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Posted 09 September 2011 - 11:22 AM

Nobody Special - I think that's the best, most honest post i've read on here for ages! Big thumbs up from me.
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Posted 09 September 2011 - 02:04 PM

Nobody--

That's pretty much where I agree; folks have to investigate and find their own information and level of comfort. They either need to take solace in what they know or be willing to accept that they may not know/may not want to know anymore than they already do. This is truly the blue pill/red pill situation.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 10:05 PM

Very good post indeed Nobody - I've not been able to watch any of it to be honest, just can't bring myself to..the whole tragedy of human lives wasted does my head in.. my son had a go at me about it but I said to him that hundreds of people are also being killed in Afghanistan and previously Iraq by the war machine and do they get such coverage? This may sound a tad harsh but for me it's all about the perspective of things and to be honest the TV is pretty much a dormant feature in my life these days cos I do feel v tired with a lot of what is 'news'
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Posted 11 September 2011 - 10:28 PM

I too have been watching all this 911 related TV propaganda and I just had to post something in response.



Remember 'WTC 3' or 'Building 7' as it's sometimes refered to..?
The worlds only steel core structure in history to be destroyed by fire alone?!

I just wondered because in all these hours of 911 related TV, nobody else seems to ever mention it..
Please view this short video below for more info.



My thoughts are with all the victims and everybody affected by the events that took place this day ten years ago.

Peace All. R.R.
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Posted 11 September 2011 - 11:23 PM

Jared, I've just started a 911 thread myself, sorry I did'nt notice this post till after I'd posted mine. Sorry R.
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Posted 11 September 2011 - 11:28 PM

Great Post NS. :thumbs:
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 07:42 AM

I've only seen one or two conspiracy theory films about all this malarkey but the one thing that never seems to get answered by the people putting them together is why did Bin Laden admit that Al qaeda did it?
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#13 Nobody Special

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 12:57 PM

As you've asked and only because you've asked. Although I have to ask, did that one factor settle the probably many others raised?

If you think about it, the programme you watched wouldn't serve very well as propaganda if it didn't hold up the official story.

A word on Al-queda/Osama bin Laden - al queda is simply the name of the database of mujahadeen fighters recruited, trained, armed and funded by the U.S. to combat the Russians many years ago, spear-heading this operation was Zibigniew Brezesinski (his writings discuss the need for manufactured provacation to engage in war i.e. false flag ops), defence secretary for the carter administration and consulting in defense and foriegn policy in practically every administration since. That's where the term al-queda comes from , a list of mititants with ties to the muslim botherhood recruited and facilitated by the U.S.
We've now gone from Al-queda being a bitter enemy to now working with them in Libya, guys who 5-6 years ago were killing coalition forces are now fighting with/under them. How does that work ? It works becuase Al-queda were always meant to be an "enemy" down the line to get us into the middle east and anywhere else recources and regime changes were required by merely stating "connections to Al-queda". Next in line in the Al-queda hierarchy dined at the pentagon after 9/11, wtf ?
http://www.cbsnews.c...in6978200.shtml
One of the best political/military philosophies I've come to learn is you set up your own enemy as opposed to letting one form naturally, this way you can control it and people who think they are against you are actually under very close scrutiny.

Osama bin Laden's C.I.A code name was Tim Osman and has been their asset for years since his part in the afformentioned operation against the Russians. The Bin Laden family have been doing business with the Bush's for years in the oil industry and via the Carlyle group (massive holding firm dealing largely in the arms trade) The Bin Laden and the Bush's are both mojor shareholders. If Osama bin Laden is responsible for 9/11, then why did the FBI state that had no evidence to support this and it was never listed under his name on their site as one of the things he was wanted for? (Along with other agencies who stated their was no evidence of his involvement). The guy was in hospital with severe kydney failure in june 2001, and highly likely he died shortly thereafter. Ever noticed there was at least 3 different guys used in the video messages from "him" released throughout the years. If you think his capture and killing was legit then you'll find with research that's full of holes too. Did you know the seal team involved in that operation are now all dead ? Plus numerous previous occasions where Osama and other top imams involved in Al-queda could have been captured but were hindered by top brass in U.S. military.

You also need to understand what a patsy is- I make out to a bunch of disallusioned yound Islamic guys I'm down for Jihad against the great satan and give them lots of nice things and train them up to commit acts of terror, when all along I'm top level F.B.I/C.I.A/secret service/MI6 operative. I've created the dialectic required to carry what was stated in the Neo-con penned "Project for a New American century", before 9/11 calling for a new pearl harbour" Think about those words - Project for a new American century and where we are now.
Other examples of staged provacation for war and purging a percieved enemies actvities are Gulf of Tonkin - Vietnam, Reischtag fire - communist/anti government purge - USS Maine and so on.

Osama bin Laden stating Al-queda's involvement hardly puts the issue to bed really, considering he stated he had no involvement.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 01:28 PM

cont....

Let's look at what's a conspiracy theory given the opposing oppinions, what's more feasable -
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Other things worth watching if interested are:-
"9/11, the british braodcasting conspiracy" you may question mainstream sources a little more diligently after

"The great conspiracy - the new special you never saw before" with Barry Zwicker"

One other thing on the psychology of 9/11/other conspiracies and conclusions established in the mind, when you establish one set of facts in your head, when confonted with opposing facts, pleasure centres in the brain fire up when refuting them, something we all have to careful of when discerning ...well...anything really.

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 01:57 PM

Christ on a cumberland sausage dressed up in drag - where do you start to comment on that little lot then eh?

Cheers for the Al-queda history lesson but I've read quite a bit on em so get the general jist of what their disco is all about.

I bloody love a good conspiracy but it's so very easy to get tangled up in a lot nonsense. While I'm not disputing that there are are a few dodgy questions surrounding it all, I'm certainly not gonna jump right in bed with it and hold it all up as a new world order by the illuminati straight away cos I've watched something on youtube.

There are a few reasons why we don't know everything and the main one is because we don't work for the government and don't have access to all the information. That doesn't mean we should suddenly shout conspiracy all the time, however much we might want to.

Anyway, cheers for the insight.
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 02:58 PM

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I'm certainly not gonna jump right in bed with it and hold it all up as a new world order by the illuminati straight away cos I've watched something on youtube.

Oh for sure, who could fault you for that.

It's hearing the testimony of eye witnesses, reading large extracts of declassified documents, testimony of whistleblowers and hearing about their subsequent deaths, learning the physics behind the events and how you have to rewrite science to support it, watching the official line change like the wind, seeing important data dissapear into the memory hole, hearing/reading the findings of architects/engineers'military analysts/former and current intelligence operatives, learning various political philosophies that fit the events and desired outcome, political historians and 100's examples of false flag operations, researching the history and character of those involved, following the money aspects, 6 out of ten commision members stating they were blocked at every turn, reading large extracts from documents such as the previously mentioned PNAC and "rebuilding America's defenses", following the continual war on an abstract noun and how that benefits the alternative suspects far more than it does the official ones, using intuition to discern the situation and so many other aspects just don't add up. That's what makes me jump in bed on the whole new world order by the Illuminati thing. Time I took to go that bit further, time I guess not everybody has but very confident that if everyone did take the time, we'd all be fighting for a bit of duvet.

It'll all come out in time (like JFK, contra, bay of pigs), just too late to reverse the agenda that 9/11 was the lynch pin to. That's me done, not to sound inflamatory or disparaging, it's just how I honestly percieve this issue nowadays that, if you can't see conspiracy in the whole thing after ten years then you probably never will.

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Posted 18 September 2011 - 11:29 PM

NS, Do I take It those seals were in that helicopter that went down in Afghanistan a few weeks back ?

They still have'nt explained that incident yet & I guess they never will after hearing that.

I actually thought it could have been RPG'd like In Mogadisu, like the Taliban claimed.
But on reflection, It would be in their interest to claim responsibility, It's good propaganda for them.

Another quality post NS.

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Posted 20 September 2011 - 09:36 PM

A little ditty from my back catalogue on this subject.


Solid Steel Lies

Two Towers, Two planes
What more can you say?

Were false flags seen flying?
Or was Terror at play?

Does Jet Engine fuel
really powder concrete?

Can it 'really' melt steel?
That would be some feat!

"It was 'Muslims', I tell you!
Of this 'Bin Laden's' type!"

A passport survived..
If you believe all the hype?

Somethings not clear though
To me and to all

These papers survived flames
Where Steel towers did fall?

2010 R.R.


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You'd better scratch me from your black book, Cause' I'll run rings around you"

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 11:20 AM

Telegraph article:
When The Onion becomes real news....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/michaelweiss/100108035/when-the-onion-becomes-real-news-al-qaeda-asks-ahmadinejad-to-cool-it-with-the-911-conspiracy-theories/
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